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    ENG 271: Literature for Young Children

    Course guide for Spring 2017

    Research paper links

    Resources about children's literature for research 

    MLA Guide, in .pdf format.  How to write and format your papers.  Important to look at before you hand in the final version of your research paper.

    Fairy Tales
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    The following are selections from Andrew Lang's Blue Fairy Book.  If you are having trouble finding the book M.C. Waldrep's Favorite Fairy Tales, read these fairy tales online. (updated August 2016) Cinderella, reinterpreted in Vogue, 9/13

    Story 7: Cinderella
    Story 5: Little Red Riding-Hood
    Story 27: Toads and Diamonds
    Story 14:The Master Cat, or Puss in Boots
    Story 11: Beauty and the Beast
    Story 6: The Sleeping Beauty in the Wood

     These versions correspond to the ones in Waldrep.

    Fairy Tales in general

    French Fairy tales

    Fairy Tales collected by the Grimm Brothers and German Fairy Tales 

    H. C. Andersen

    Hans Christian Anderson Fairy Tales 

    Hans Christian Andersen literary fairy tales

    H.C. Anderson materials

    Emperor's New Clothoes

    The Little Mermaid sculpture in Copenhagen harbor is 100 years old in 2013

    Arabian Tales

    English Folk Tales

    English Fairy Tales

    Walt Disney and Children's Culture

    Fairy Tales as re-interpreted by American popular culture From the Fairy Tale Fashion exhibit at FIT Museum

    "The Snow Queen" & other influences on Disney's Frozen

    Jon Scieszka and Lane Smith's The Stinky Cheeseman

    Reading Rockets (WETA) interviews of: Jon Sciezka and  Lane Smith 

    Interview with Jon Scieszka, from Library Sparks, about The Stinky Cheeseman (in .pdf form)

    from The Stinky Cheeseman

    Video Interview with Lane Smith and Molly Leach (2008) 5:08 min

    Reading Rock Stars  of Reading by Mark Levis interviews Lane Smith and Molly Leach

    Jon Scieszka, with design by Molly Leach, in The Hornbook on "Design Matters" in Stinky Cheeseman and other books. (March/April 1998)

    YouTube video of interview with Jon Scieszka from Barnes & Noble

    Reading Rockets Guys Read with Jon Scieszka. YouTube

    Great video of Stinky Cheeseman by John Gillam. good animation of images with nice voices. YouTube 4:52

    Jon Scieszka reads The True Story of the Three Little Pigs. YouTube

    "Guys and Reading" by Jon Scieszka (.pdf)

    Modern revisions and rewriting fairy tales in film and books

    Aesop's Fables

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    Joseph Jacobs' The Fables of Aesop.  Here are 2 electronic versions of the texts we are using.

    Multiple illustrations to "The Stork and the Fox" (La Fontaine (1900), versions from 1400, 1500's, 1600s, 1700s, 1946)

    Aesop's Fables Illustrated. comprehensive site listing each fable and illustrations from various sources.

    Allposters.com link to 14 illustrations of various Aesop's Fables 

    History of Aesop 

    Leader of the Chorus. By God, I never knew that before!
    Pisthetaerus. That's because you are ignorant and heedless and have never read your Aesop”
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    Aesopica; Aesop's Fables in English, Latin, & Greek 

    Aesop's Fables illustrated by Univ. of Massachusetts art students, includes text.

    Cartoon Stock's collection of cartoons that reference Aesop's Fables 

    Just for fun:  Aesop's Fables crossword puzzles 

    Mother Goose

    The Real Mother Goose by Blanche Fisher Wright. text for Fall 2014. Many versions including: HTML, ePub, and Kindle.

    The Only True Mother Goose Good Melodies by Unknown. free e-book,various formats.  Here is another online version that looks okay as well

    The story of Boston's Mother Goose

    A visit to Mother Goose's grave

    Mother Goose rhymes and illustrations from the 1916 book by Blanche Fisher Wright

    Mother Goose: A Scholarly Exhibit at Rutgers University

    Arnold Lobel's Frog and Toad

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    Essay on good qualities of a picture book by Arnold Lobel (in .pdf format)

    "A Swim" from 1985 Claymation animation Frog and Toad are Friends YouTube video. 3:19 min.

    "The Letter" from 1985 Claymation animation Frog and Toad are Friends. YouTube. 4:07 min.

    "Behind the Scenes" 1985 from John Clark Matthews on how the Claymation Frog and Toad videos were made.  YouTube. 9:25 min.Frog and Toad children's playground in Boston Commons

    A Year with Frog and Toad segment from the musical presented here by Arden Theater company, 2009.  YouTube video 3 Min.

    "Merry Almost Christmas" segment from Frog and Toad musical.  Pretty good high school production. Song comes in at 2 min.YouTube video. 3:31 min.

    "I look funny in a bathing suit" segment from Frog and Toad musical. YouTube video 5 min.

    Eric Carle Museum of Picture Book Art link to exhibitions, including one on F&T

    Rubric for teaching Frog and Toad in second grade. There are numerous teaching guides for F&T on the web

    Arnold Lobel biography page from publisher HarperCollins 

    Materials about "Frog and Toad Together" play for teachers and students related to the play (pdf format. needs Adobe Acrobat)

    biographical essay on Arnold Lobel 

    Adrianne Lobel, daughter of Arnold, on an early book The Frogs and Toads All Sang that was rediscovered and she colored. YouTube video 2:53 min.

    Little Bear by Else Minarik and Maurice Sendak

    "Birthday Soup" from Nickelodeon Little Bear show.  YouTube.  7 min.

    "I'm Going to the Moon" from Nickelodeon's Little Bear show. YouTube. 7:27 min.

    HarperCollins site for Little Bear books.  Brief biography on Else Minarik

    New Hampshire Public Radio interview of Minarik from 2003.  (Requires Windows Media player or Mac adapter for Quicktime.)

    Links on book editor Ursula Nordstrom.  Review of Dear Genius: The Letters of Ursula Nordstrom by Rebecca Pepper Sinkler (New York Times March 22, 1998)  Review of Dear Genius by Katherine Wolfe in Salon April 13, 1998.  Hornbook's obituary of Nordstrom by Mary Stolz (1988)

    Nursery RhymesRain, Rain, Go Away

    A Rhyme a Week: Nursery Rhymes for early childhood literacy.  Numerous texts for rhymes with directions on using with young children.

    Mama Lisa's House of English Nursery Rhymes. Many images, text and sound files.

    Nursery Rhymeland Revisted. Cool graphics of traditional nursery rhymes.

    Cute photos of Pre-K kids in Pennsylvania dressed up for nursery rhymes, with the rhymes' text.

    "Nursery Rhymes Put Kids 'At Risk.' " BBC article Dec. 10, 2003

    Poetry for children

    "Serious Play: Reading Poetry with Children" a short essay and links to many good poems for children on poetry.org, from the American Academy of Poets.

    Poetry month teaching ideas for children using poetry by Shel Silverstein and others.

    GigglePoetry.com "The #1 fun poetry site for kids"  Lots of resources and ideas for getting kids excited about poetry. This site and next recommended by poetry.org

    Poetry4kids.com  Kenn Nesbit's enthusiastc site on poetry for children, mostly with his poems.  Cheerful!

    Scholastic's site on poetry for children.  Focus on Jack Prelutsky, Karla Kuskin and Jean Marzollo.

    the Poetry Archive.  Mainly children's poem with a U.K. emphasis.  Most poems have audio of poet reading their works aloud.

    Poetry Zone, from England mainly focused on poems by Roger Stevens.  amusing.

    "Songs My Teacher Taught Me" lesson plans and ideas for discussing poetry in high school from poetry.org

    Children's Musictmbg-catalog_1988_2108634.jpeg

    They Might Be Giants, including links to podcast and videos.

    Ralph's World website (from Chicago's famed Old Town School of Folk Music)

    Dan Zanes website.  YouTube video of "All Around the Kitchen" (popular on Disney Chanel)Dan Zanes sings American music for families

    Trout Fishing in America website (also check out the cool treehouse)

    Little Richard in YouTube video of "Rubber Duckie

    Laurie Berkner's video on YouTube of "Victor Vito" (she once entertained for Madonna's children)

    RaffiNews.com  Site for music and news about children's singer Raffi.YouTube video of Raffi singing "Baby Beluga"  A kindergarten class singing and moving to "Baby Beluga"

    Collection of children's music from the 1950s & 1960s originally on record albums, now available via mp3s.  Includes covers of albums. 

    KiddieRecords: a similar sight with hundreds of children's albums, including covers, details about music and mp3s

    National Children's Folk Song Repository.  Looks like the website has good intentions.  You can record yourself singing a folk song.

    Best Children's Music. com  Website with good collections (for sale) of children's music.  Includes mp3 samples.

    FreeKidsMusic.com  Good selection of mp3s of up and coming singers/songwriters for kids.

    Songs for Teaching. "Using music to promote learning"  Songs about atoms, multiplication, phonics & history.

    Instruction with delight: An educational revision of Beyonce's "Single Ladies" to "Scholar Ladies"  Sweet. For Hope Christian schools in Milwaukee.

    Alphabet Books

    Chicka Chicka Boom Boom book in song format

    "Alphabet of All Nations". performed by They Might Be Giants.

    50 Alphabet Books for children reviewed.

    Common Core lesson plan for Alphabet Books for first graders

    Pop up alphabet book, show in video

    Video of numerous alphabet books. 3 min 

    Beatrix PotterBeatrix Potter and Benjamin Bunny, on a lead.

    Frederick Warne, official pubblisher of Beatrix Potter  Information on Potter, games, news, eating healthy.

    Beatrix Potter's life in Cumbria.  Lots of info about her life there, many book suggestions, photographs, and info about the film Miss Potter

    "The Tale of Miss Potter" Daily Telegraph article about the film Miss Potter and her life in England. (16 Dec. 2006)

    Beatrix Potter, Fabulist.  Online exhibit from Cotsen Children's Library at Princeton.  Click on the images on top of the screen.

    A biography of Potter from University of Pittsburgh site.

    The Beatrix Potter Society website.

    The National Trust's homes of Beatrix Potter and links to more information about her.

    Crockett JohnsonThe Carrot Seed by Crockett Johnson

    Harold and the Purple Crayon. Weston Woods video on YouTube.

    artwork by Paul Klee

    Mies van der Rohe information. "Less is More"

    Carrot Seed record information with album cover art and mp3 

    Brief biography of Crockett Johnson on Lambiket.net 

    Sony Pictures' website for the TV series Harold and the Purple Crayon. includes brief video promo.

    Margaret Wise Brown's Good Night Moon

    Margaret Wise Brown informationMargaret Wise Brown

    HarperCollin's 60th anniversary site for Good Night Moon

    Link to every MW Brown book with illustrations & bibliographic info

    YouTube related videos

    The Little Island (under Golden MacDonald pen name). Illus.Leonard Weisgard Clement Hurd

    Wait Till the Moon is Full. Illus. by Garth Williams A few books by Margaret Wise Brown

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    Dr. Seuss

    Snafu videos from World War II on YouTube

    Random House's website for Dr. Seuss

    Dr. Seuss Goes to War. The Mandeville Collection 

    "The Political Dr. Seuss." a presentation on PBS' Independent Lens 

    Dr. Seuss National Memorial in Springfield, Massachusetts. History of Ted Geisel

    Snopes message board with people commenting on Dr. Seuss' political cartoons 

    A Ted Geisel poster from World War II (The Chase Group/Dr. Seuss Enterprises)

    5000 Fingers of Dr. T film links

    Opening to animated version of "The Cat in the Hat." version co-produced by Dr. Seuss. YouTube. 2:09 minutes

    What it would sound like if Led Zepplin sang Dr. Seuss books. Mike Rayburn sings in this YouTube video. 1:04 seconds.  Amusingly smart. 

    Maurice Sendak 

    Getting to Know Maurice Sendak: 1985 interview on video.

    Maurice Sendak, In His Own Words: Where The Wild Things Are. Video.

    Rosenbach Collection. Museum in Philadelphia

    Animated videos of Sendak's work

    Sendak talks about his work, include reading part of Where the Wild Things Are. YouTube video

    Really Rosie video, from YouTube. Carole King tune with animation

    Carole King "Chicken Soup with Rice," from YouTube video 

    Carole King "Alligators All Around," from YouTube video 

    Blog about upcoming "Where the Wild Things Are" directed by Spike Jonze.  scheduled for May 2008, then October 2008, then 2009...?  script by Spike Jonze and Dave Eggers

    Sendak's interview in The Believer. Nov./Dec. 2012. "I refuse to cater to the bullshit of innocence."

    More information on Sendak on my website.

    Diversity in Children's Picture Books

    Ezra Jack Keats' The Snowy Day

    Ezra Jack Keats Foundation.  Official website.

    Ezra Jacket Keats virtual exhibit, from the deGrummond collection

    Art Exhibition: The Snowy Day and the Art of Ezra Jack Keats at The Jewish Museum in New York.

    The Snowy Day read aloud on YouTube

    Biographical video on Keats on YT (3:36)

    Nancy Larrick's essay "The All White World of Children's Books." This is a pdf document that links to a copy of Larrick's essay originally published in The Saturday Review, September 11, 1965.

    Faith Ringgold's Tar Beach

    Ed Young's Lo Po Po

    Caroliva Herron's Nappy Hair

    Resources for Diversity in Children's Literature

    The Dinosaurs of Waterhouse Hawkins by Barbara Kerley and Brian Selznick

    David Macaulay

    Section of video that is part of an exhibit on David Macaulay, especially his childhood. Second section of the video, which was initially prepared by Norman Rockwell Museum on Macaulay. Essay about this exhibit, with a few good illustrations by Macaulay.

    David Macaulay discusess his work at a TED conference. 21 minute talk about his creative process and focusing on his book about Rome.

    The Great Pyramid of Giza documentary

    David Macaulay's website.  Click on "watch video" for several short videos on how he works.

    PBS series "Buiding Big" focuses on explaining architecture through Macaulay's work.  This page features a transcript of an interview with him. 

    Educational ideas for using Pyramid in class, with many good links about Pyramids and Ancient Egypt 

    David Macaulay speaks at MIT about creating his books. 1hour talk.

    Discovering more about Ancient Egypt

    Tacoma Art Museum's exhibit on David Macaulay in 2009

    David Macaulay receives the Eric Carle Honor Award in 2010. Article in Publisher's Weekly. Nov. 18, 2010

    Series books: Time Warp Trio Not So Jolly Roger. Tim Warp Trio

    Time Warp Trio website

    Kidsread.com information about Time Warp Trio

    The first Time Warp Trio television show about the Not So Jolly Roger. YouTube segment. 10 min.

    Jon Scieszka's website

    Fanfiction.com related to Time Warp Trio

    "The Boys Have Fallen Behind" column in March 2010 by Nicholas Kristof in the NY Times.  Books for Boys: Confessions of a Reluctant Reader blog.

    Series books: American Girls

     American Girls official website

    Link to Jan Susina's article "American Girls: Barbies with a sense of history" in Children's Literature American Girl MollyAssociation Quarterly. Fall 1999. In Project Muse.  (Accessible through Milner Library with ISU ULID)

     Flavorwire essay on "What your American Girl doll says about you" Fun, slightly silly on how the dolls have changed.

    Essay by Elizabeth Marshall "Marketing American Girls" in rethinkingschools.com (winter 2008/2009)

    "American Girls taking over the country" by Rachel King in Fast Company (April 2009)

    Notes and photos of a girls' book club that discusses and dresses up like the American Girls

    Anthropology professor analyzes American Girls "The New 'American Girls'" in The National Review Sept. 2002

    Kidsread.com Series books, an annotated listMadison Davenport, Abigail Breslin, and Brieanne Jansen in Kit Kittredge: An American Girl 

    "The Thinking Girls Barbie" Slate.com women discuss American Girls as a gateway to learning history

    Preview of Kit Kittredge: An American Girl. YouTube video

    Clip from Molly: An American Girl on the Homefront. YouTube

    "I Like Your Style" music video from American Girl. YouTube video

    A girl browses an American Girl store.  YouTube video.  An English girl goes to the American Girl store in New York. YouTube video.

    A. A. Milne's Winnie-the-Pooh A.A. Milne and his son Christopher Robin

    Origins of Winnie-the-Pooh. MojoWatch video. 4 min.

    A.A. Milne reading from Winnie-the-Pooh in 1929.  YouTube. reading begins at about :58.  Here is another link to A.A. Milne reading, again begin at about :50

     A. A. Milne's poem "Teddy Bear"

    Winnie-the-Pooh read aloud. Chapter 7 (1-2) YouTube

    Winnie-the-Pooh read aloud by a British cast including Stephen Frye as Pooh and Judi Dench as Kanga. Chapter 2.  Illustrated video on YouTube. 8:14 min.

    "Return to Pooh Corner" by Kenny Loggins. Video with Loggins singing the tune.

    "The House at Pooh Corner" YouTube video taking the tune with an overlay of the images. one version with images from the Disney film.   a second version with images from the book.

    The Page at Pooh-Corner website, which focuses on A. A. Milne (rather than Disney version).  Includes timeline & history info.

    Link to Just-Pooh site, with info and links 

    From the 1968 Disney film Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day

    From 1966 Disney film Winnie the Pooh and the Honey Tree

    Celebrating 75 years of Pooh in 2001 from Penguin. Classroom activities for teaching Pooh from Penguin

    "Drawing the Line in Mississippi" by Clifford Berryman, 1902. Click to link of larger image

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    Christina Lindsey's photos from Hundred Acre Wood in Sussex, EnglandEyore's gloomy placePooh sticks bridge

     

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    Beverly Cleary's Ramona the Brave

    The Ramona page, on a Beverly Cleary site.

    Biographical information on Cleary at Scholastic site.

    BookPage interview of Beverly Cleary

    An NPR interview with Cleary on her 90th birthday, April 2006.  An earlier interview with Cleary from Aug. 16, 1999.

    Teaching Ramona, a detailed .pdf document on teaching ideas with Ramona

    from the Canadian Ramona TV show:  The Great Hair Argument.  YouTube. 9 min.

    Walking tour of Portland, home of Cleary and Ramona. brief article

    Interview with Beverly Cleary in 2006.  Set up as video, but only audio of Cleary. 18 min.  She answers 13 questions from students on "Stop Everything and Read Day!"

    Radio essay on Ramona, from Recess! radio show at University of Florida (6/30/2005)

    Fourth graders present a "commercial" for Ramona, the Pest. YouTube. 1.22 min. cute

    Selena Gomez has filmed Ramona and Beezus, to be released March 2010

    Ramona the Pest is a band from Oakland, Calif.

    Babymouse by Jennifer Holm and Matthew Holm

    Babymouse by Jennifer Holm and Matthew Holm

    Babymouse official website, housed at Random House

    "The Classroom Cast" Babymouse video. YouTube

    Bringing up Baby Mouse, a video by Katie Davis

    Jennifer Holm's website. a co-creator of Babymouse 

    Matthew Holm's official website. a co-creator of Babymouse 

    Interview with Jennifer and Matthew Holm about their Babymouse series.  Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. June 24, 2008

    Diary of a Wimpy Kid by Jeff Kinney

    Official website of Diary of a Wimpy Kid 

    Diary of a Wimpy Kid website.  Funbrain.com site begin here with FAQs WimpyKid_cover.jpg

    YouTube mashup of funny cartoons from Diary of a Wimpy kid accompanied by appropriate music. 

    A Fourth Grade play of Diary of a Wimpy Kid.  short and cute. 

    Blog of Jeff Kinney. Diary of a Wimpy Kid's creator. 

    Jeff Kinney interviewed Oct. 22, 2009 on NPR.  He answers kids' questions.

    Washington Post article on how Jeff Kinney wrote and published the Wimpy Kid series. (March 3, 2009)

    YouTube interview of Jeff Kinney from Barnes & Noble.  YouTube interview with Jeff Kinney on first two books at Borders.

    Trailer for the Dairy of a Wimpy Kid film (2010).  YouTube. :30 TV promo on YouTube

    Jeff Kinney at a Borders pulling out books that he likes and talking about them, including Scott McCloud's book on comics. 3:30 min on YouTube 

    Barbara Park's Junie B. Jones series

    Interview with Barbara Park, from Library Sparks (in .pdf form)

    Children's Television

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    Zero to Eight: Children's Media Use Research from Commonsense Media.  The 2013 report Zero to Eight: Children's Media Use  Joan Ganz Cooney Center's link to the report and related studies.

    Teletubbies hold hands segment.

    Teletubbies dancing segment. 

    Barney & Friends segment. "When I Grow Up" 

    Arthur & Friends segments:" "Arthur Writes a Story, part 1"  "Francine Frensky. Superstar"

    Sesame Street. segments: from 1969: "Oscar and Trash" "I Love Trash" the 1991 version "Sing, sing a song" 1971 version. "John-John counts to 10" (short, 51 seconds).  Bert and Ernie sketch from 1971, "Counting sheep."

    Children's WebsitesClub Penguin enables kids to be virtual penguins

    Club Penguin, the virtual realilty world, now owned by Disney, with flocks of penguins 

    BrainPop is the household's favorite educational program.

    Webkinz World, the popular virtual site connected to the fuzzy animals 

    Millsberry, popular virtual children's site owned by General Mills 

    Nick.com, Nickelodeon's website.  Note: This site takes a lot of bandwidth, so may download slowly. Videos run automatically and can annoyingly slow site.

    PBS Kids, website for public television's children's shows

    Lego.com.  All things Legos, including games and product promotions.

    BBC Children's site.  Very detailed site, click around.

    Fun Brain, home to The Wimpy Kid and many other interesting kids' things

    Disney.com. Website for all things Disney.  One option is ToonTown, a game to download and interact in virtual reality.A Neopet

    Dav Pilkey's extra-crunchy website o'fun.  Captain Underpants and beyond. 

    GirlTech.  A Mattel site for girls that's connected to high-tech toys.

    Kidsreads. A website about kids' books, with reviews. 

    Neopets.  Online pets and more that are linked to toys. 

    J. Otto Seibold site. Author's own site. Search around for games. 

    GigglePoetry.  Hundreds of silly poems for children.  Includes information about authors, poetry theater, etc. pledge_allegiance_coloring_page_600.jpg

    Jan Brett's website.  Children's author has created many web-based and printable activities for children and teachers related to her books.  "4,173  pages of free activities, coloring pages, and projects."

    Webbliword.  A newer site for children with avatars.  somewhat educational. 

    Time for Kids, website for children of Time magazine 

    Litle Clickers, a website with links to many educational sites.

    Major League Baseball Site for Kids. 

    Monterey Bay Aquarium.  site for the ocean-based aquarium in California.  great example of a non-fiction science site. 

    Villainy, Inc.  Thwarting World Supremacy Through Mathematics.  Maryland Public TV site with math story. 

    Common Core State Standards

    Common Core State Standards.  This link goes to the home page.  Under "Discover Common Standards," you'll find the English Language Arts Standards information.

    Wikipedia entry explaining the Common Core.

    California's Common Core information for schools and parents.

    International Reading Association's response to the Common Core

    Publisher Pearson's website with assistance for understanding the Common Core

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     Peter Rabbit website, official Potter site from Frederick Warne & Co.

    Link to official Peter Rabbit website page of letter to Noel Moore 

    Hear the Potter stories read aloud at official Potter site. 

    Animated version of 'Tale of Peter Rabbit", middle part, YouTube from BBC video

    YouTube video of Beatrix Potter illustrations bp_art_bb.jpg

    YouTube video about producing Tales of Beatrix Potter ballet 

     Peter Rabbit with Japanese text.  Note: click on the second to last line on each page to progress through the story

     Wired for Books website, with lots of information about Beatrix Potter

    Children's Television

    introductory video to "Lazy Town" of "Bing Bang" song 

    Interview with Fred Rogers about his ideas on developing "Mister Rogers' Neighborhood" 28 minutes in RealAudio (no video) 

    Interesting additional places

    Children's Books Online. large collection of older children's books presented in images page by page 

    Children's Book Ilustrated Gallery nocloo.com 

    Stories to Grow By.  educational site for children, teachers and parents with fairy tales and other stories

    Little Lit, books of collections of comics by famous cartoonists for children 

     Video from Norman Rockwell Museum exhibit on "LitGraphic: The World of the Graphic Novel." Part 1. This segment features Peter Kuper, creator of "The System," and Mark Wheatley, co-creator of "Breathtaker"

    Children's Books Online: The Rosetta Project.  The largest collection of illustrated antique books online, they think.